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 No.928[D]

Here's some questions, some new, some old. some hidden, and even some asked in the open. Either way we've kinda sat on them or gave vague answers to no avail. And i fully understand it'll take time to answer these, changes aren't made overnight of course. and really, i just want this thread to just sit here and be discussed over time. Iron things out slowly.
1, Do we have a niche? Should we try and find one? What would it be? both "comfy" and "nostalga" are more or less aspects of this community then actual niches, if anything a good chunk of altchans adopted those as their niches already. 22chan needs to provide a seed of topics to discuss which will set the ambiance, and it has to relate to all the boards as a whole. an example is lainchan which uses serial experiment lain as their niche, and the aspects of their community is acting like a liberal redditor, and cyberpunk/hacker culture. (cats could be a niche but im not sure how it would be implemented or if it even is a good niche at all)
2, How can we be "Diffrent" or not just "Another altchan"? there's limitations to this question of course, twoots only one guy, and who knows what he can or cant do for the software aspect of that question. For some reason people get bored because they see us as some regular old "knockoff 4chan" altchan imageboard.
3, "Le epik oldfags" Or, Is it wise to adapt some of 4chan's culture, (like we do right now) or should we try to head in our own direction? is it bad to use 4chan's culture a bit too much, or even as a crutch or a placeholder for lack of a culture? we've been told that we're too young to fully understand what we are posting, some people get annoyed at when we discuss internet/meme philosophy a bit too much, like sometimes we get stuck in a cycle thats hard to get out of, and there are better things to discuss. some people say we are a "nostalga site" or even get "old /b/ vibes" from us. in some cases, we've been even called "oldfag larpers''
4, "Windowshopping simulator" Or, What's stopping you from posting, or making threads? What can we do to fix that problem? One suggestion what was thrown out is this
>start visiting and taking part into threads on other boards, don't just keep sitting in one board like /b/. And due to the whole site being so slow, you, anon, can probably even reply to several month old threads and posts to spark up the conversation.
>In short, diversify your interests and actually start caring.
>Just post, if your opinion is "not quality", then people will simply ignore it.
>This is some sort of online-social-anxiety. >Don't worry, just post.
>Don't be that guy who always sits there on his own, just watching and listening other people. >This is a place where you shouldn't be afraid of saying something wrong.
>We are all anonymous.
>That's the beauty of imageboards.
Is there any other suggestions to fix that problem? is what that anon said sounds right?
5, "Upboat downboat" Is based and redpilled, cringe and bluepilled overused, or normalfaggotry? do we generally avoid using those terms, or do we use a wordfilter to replace them (if it even is a problem at all)
It was discussed previously on a old /sg/ thread where OP said it's getting reddit-teir (back in 2019) and times changed, it's becoming used more and more in mainstream enviorments, it seems like r/4chan really helped spread it out to twitter and other environments.

 No.929[D][DF]

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>>928
For me, the appeal of 22chan is that it's like 4chan with standards. We don't have frogposters or people who do things like post twitter screencaps or start YLYL threads. The restriction on porn is also instrumental here. Basically, because these forms of repetitive, worthless content are all disallowed, the entire board and every post on it can embody the sort of thing that you would spend hours looking for on 4chan. We have genuine, unpretentious, and respectful exchanges on a constant basis, all without compromising our principles for an overmoderated hugbox. I worry that this is a delicate balance which may be disrupted if the site takes on too many new users at once, but for the moment it is ideal.
To address the point about "oldfag larping", I believe that what set the oldfags apart from the current userbase of 4chan is the simple fact that the site hadn't been around as long, so there wasn't as much of a culture built up, which meant there was less room for "re-run" threads and more room for novel humor and discussion. When people make something new, it comes from the heart, so it's always better than when they repeat something that's been done hundreds of times to the point where everyone has forgotten how it even started. So, if we're oldfag larpers, it's because we don't like parroting other people all day. This should be a point of pride.
Regarding our niche, I see no need for one. A selling point for the site would only serve to obscure its greatest strengths. For the sake of discussion, if we were to bring in users by claiming to be "the only altchan for Nirvana fans", then we might get more users, but they would all be wondering where the Nirvana discussion is, and they might not realize that the actual point of the board is the sheer quality of it, so they would probably drag it down. It doesn't have to be Nirvana; it could be anything. Just don't make 22chan out to be something it's not. Forced memes always suck.
As for your point about window shopping, I post here pretty frequently (every few days - a week) because I find it pleasant to do so. I might post more frequently if I knew that I was more likely to get a reply, but like the last point, this isn't something that should be forced. Developing a userbase organically will lead to the best quality of discussion.
Anyway, the only thing I would really do if I was in charge around here is remove /pol/, but that's a matter of personal preference. I just find it to not be comfy, and it reminds me too much of the garbage that drags 4chan down. I'd get out of here in an instant if I saw a hint of reddit, so lock that down hard.
Granted, I'm nobody in particular and these are all just my opinions. I hope they help.

 No.930[D][DF]

i feel like the board theme thing harkens back to old 8chan, and it also sets us off from being some other altchan.

 No.931[D][DF]

>>928
I think >>929 is right. Sorry for encouraging you to post on livechan
>>929
Honestly I felt very frustrated with 22chan in the past. I invested too much energy into it and got too little out. That's my fault. But realistically:
>at any moment, over 90% of 22chan's content is over a month old, which feels very dead. Post also get very old. Wiki-tier content is good to keep around for years, but not (most) imageboard posts
>The value of the content isn't worth the wait. Waiting a week for a dozen posts of casual convo is hardly worth it. Waiting a couple months for a simple oc thread is hardly worth it
>Many threads are unsuccessful (=less than 3 satisfying replies followed by death). This is not terrible in itself, but when you already have so little activity it's sad to see. It also shows how our small userbase often struggles with finding common interests
>We (mostly) lack the bad parts of 4chan, but we also (mostly) lack the good parts. Nothing interesting ever happens here. Many people go through all the 4chan shit because every once in a blue moon you find something genuinely original, interesting, fun, unique. That doesn't happen here because that only happens when there's a lot of people posting a lot. So what was the most interesting 22chan event of 2020? The cicada larp?
I just don't see why would I come back here. Oh, wait, I know why. I'm your first sad fuck who wishes he could leave but can't
Sorry for the tone but I can't bother rewriting this post again
Anyway this is just how I feel about it, I understand that others don't. Also I get that there's hardly much to change/that can (or should) be changed
There is no way to solve any of these problems without transforming 22chan into something different, and that would be unfair towards the people who are happy with how things are, which is the majority

 No.932[D][DF]

>>931
>finding common interests
yeah, i've been trying to figure that out. how can we find common interests? just keep makng threads talking about the stuff we like until we make one that gather attention? talk on livechan untill something clicks? the cy-tube is now dead, the people who ran it are gone. they had a bad habit of only playing stuff that they like so perhaps taking it over again and watching stuff that everyone likes/agrees on might do something?

 No.933[D][DF]

>>928
>people get bored because they see us as some regular old "knockoff 4chan" altchan imageboard.
I feel people would not get bored of us if new threads were consistently made. Of course, we shouldn't force anything, but it necessary that we show lurkers that we have potential. Once we have built on our potential, these lurkers may be open to commit to using us. We need to prove we are our own thing rather than a 4chan clone.

 No.934[D][DF]

>>932
>just keep makng threads talking about the stuff we like until we make one that gather attention?
I'm afraid that's the only way, even if it can be a little daunting. Bouncing off ideas in livechan sounds cool, however don't forget that not everyone reads it
The only other way to find more people with common interests is to have more people here. But that's hard to do well
Reviving cytube could be a good idea, but of course we should check if people are interested. Which leads me to:
My personal theory is that a smaller community can compete with bigger ones if the members of the smaller one put more effort. That's why one thing that 22chan can benefit from is to have threads were people can samefag a lot (in a beneficial way)
Like the "post a song a day" thread on /mu/ I made. People would feel guilty posting 10 times in the "what are you listening to right now" thread, but my thread encourages multiple postings. And that makes it have a lot of content despite not necessarily having a lot of posters
However the truth is people, even here, probably don't want to put in a lot of time/effort into things. No project has really gone far here, most OC threads get abandoned, the album we made on /mu/ took a year to complete
However we have counter-examples. The make-a-charecter threads often go well. The make an album cover one is pretty active
So I guess it's about finding something easy enough to complete quickly or attract many people
Another application of the above principle would be "share a cool thing you found from the internet" threads. Like the links thread on /t/, or the petitube one. If 10 people spend an hour searching for something cool and posts the result, every one of them gets the results of 10 hours of searching. That scales very well. Even if we don't exactly have a lot of people, it still could work sometimes
It all comes down to: what can we do, which is fun, easy and brings entertaining results? Or, what type of effort are anons most willing to put into something?
Is there a way to combine hobbies of different anons to make fun projects together?
OR MAYBE I'M OVERTHINKING IT. Can you really plan genuine interactions? Maybe this amount of meta is a bit too much? Maybe what happens naturally is enough, and forcing is bad

 No.935[D][DF]

>>934
This is my take on everything you said:
>Bouncing off ideas in livechan sounds cool, however don't forget that not everyone reads it
Moot did a thing in old /qa/ (it was originally named /q/) called "4Chan Town Hall" where he set a date where everyone can do a meet and greet,chit chat and ask the staff meta questions. We can have our own "22Chan Town Hall" (on livechan, either in #random or in a special temporary channel, unless everyone really wants to do it in a thread) and twoot can make a counter in the place where the discuck ad was at originally that just counts down the date untill the next town hall meeting. Think about it, people can ask questions directly to staff, it can help integrate newfags, it will assure that EVERYONE will be online so if you get bored when no one is active or posting, you'll have people online no matter what.
>The only other way to find more people with common interests is to have more people here. But that's hard to do well
It goes several ways, Advertising (several ways to do that. directly, indirectly like in a convo, or via word of mouth) And getting people interested in 22chan where they want to stay. just mentioning it, i know the staff are careful on where and how they advertise. just something to think about.
>Reviving cytube could be a good idea, but of course we should check if people are interested.
I'm interested, it's just it was taken over, and the people running it only played the stuff they liked and not what was suggested in the thread, and i really dont have the time to watch stuff at 4pm. Then again, i couldnt do the google drive thing. anything hosted on youtube is really the only way i can really join in to watch stuff.
I can suggest a ton of youtube related content if need be. No matter what /mmc/ is great to help find common interest and to help threadmaking/ more posts as so long as we use the threads or make threads and use cytube responcibly.
>Which leads me to:
>put more effort.
Sounds right
>threads were people can samefag a lot (in a beneficial way)
^
>Like the "post a song a day" thread on /mu/ I made. People would feel guilty posting 10 times in the "what are you listening to right now" thread, but my thread encourages multiple postings.
Good way of thinking.
>probably don't want to put in a lot of time/effort into things.
I'm personally limited on time, knowlidge, technology and skill. I can't draw, i want to learn how so i can make oc or whatever for 22chan but it's going to take time i dont have right now. I can't I guess what i do (and what's best for everyone else to do) is to (i mentioned it a bit later in the post)
>No project has really gone far here, most OC threads get abandoned, the album we made on /mu/ took a year to complete
Yup, either let them die, or make a new version of the thread to replace it, that learned from the mistakes from the previous one, if people are interested in doing it again.
>The make-a-charecter threads often go well. The make an album cover one is pretty active so I guess it's about finding something easy enough to complete quickly or attract many people
As so long as it isnt lazy or for quick and lazy posts it should work well.
>Another application of the above principle would be "share a cool thing you found from the internet" threads
Good idea
>It all comes down to: what can we do, which is fun, easy and brings entertaining results? Or, what type of effort are anons most willing to put into something?
Damn good question to talk about further.
>Is there a way to combine hobbies of different anons to make fun projects together?
Hell yeah there is, we just need to figure out what we can and cant do, also as we get more and also new people posting, we can do more.
>OR MAYBE I'M OVERTHINKING IT.
Better to overthink then underthink
>Maybe this amount of meta is a bit too much?
Better to question everything then question nothing.
>"Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society"
>Maybe what happens naturally is enough, and forcing is bad
Or, maybe not. Every meme is forced, and either people like it or dont and it's better you shoot your shot and fail, then do nothing at all. Do what you can, As much as you can, When you get the time to do it. Vid related
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0
If we all want to remake shit like the "new anon" or the 22chan flag might as well do it, dont be afraid to try new things.
Another thing i gotta mention is that general threads are gay, if you want to make a thread like that, try to make it in a way where it encourages people to spinter off to diffrent threads if need be. So lets say i make a thread for horror anime, and higuashi gets mentioned and discussed alot, so why not make a higurashi thread if it's popular?

 No.936[D][DF]

>>935
another thing i forgot to mention is i'm kinda retarded, i ran out of stuff to post or make a thread about and all i know how to do is just read every avalible thread and force myself to post untill i end up doing something that gives me something to talk about

 No.937[D][DF]

>>935
>"22Chan Town Hall"
I don't know if I really have much to ask the staff, however setting a specific date to meet at can be a great idea for livechan. People have already attempted it, but making it recurring/official might work better
Though we could have a "newbie questions" thread I think over on sg or something
>I'm personally limited on time, knowlidge, technology and skill.
Sorry for wording it like you don't care, of course you do
Though what you're talking about sounds a bit like a common problem. That's why I was talking about "easy" things to do, that require little time and skill
Though it can be great to jump into things you have no skills at, just to have fun and try something new. Who cares that you suck, do draw! At least that's what I think
Anyway I guess you should try bumping (or making a new thread) for mmc. I might participate too but I can't really guarantee that
>>936
What do you do in your free time? Can you remember something interesting to share from the past maybe? How about coming up with a completely random topic?
I've recently been playing an interesting game from the 90s, and I'll probably make a thread about it when I get to know it a bit better
Honestly though, when I really have no idea what to post I go shitpost on sewers...

 No.968[D][DF]

>>931
in reguards to activity, it depends. if its an issue of like getting burnt out after posting too much, or not knowing what to post, best thing to do is to give yourself a decent goal. more then 5, might get burnt out. and at least you'll have left over posts for tomorrow. for the last several days we've gotten like 40 posts per day, so thats like 8 people posting 5 times per day. imagine if 10 posted 5 times per day or more? everyone posting that amount from twoot, to staff to anons? thats a hell of alot of posts and if your retarded enough to advertise, you'll know advertising a dead site wont attract people. activity only makes more activity. if the older threads arent interesting, or needed a now gone OP to run the thread, let it die and make new threads, hell maybe zombie threads that lasted too long or sticky threads that arent needed was one of the problems that messed with people's posting habits.

 No.969[D][DF]

>>968
and i say this knowing that its better to post organically and giving a goal is only good if you are afraid the site is dying or if you feel like it'll help you in some way.

 No.996[D][DF]

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