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Take a deep dive with me and find some hidden treasure. No context is necessary, and there are many ways to explore these boards: https://www.2chan.net/ https://2ch.sc/ https://5ch.net/ https://prev.strangeworld.icu/ You can post screenshots of threads/posts and repost whatever content you find. You can use google translate, deeply and I heard some browsers automatically translate text. There are probably more options out there.
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Futaba janitor (big breasts straight black hair woman) Incompetent hard worker
2ch janitor (Hiroyuki) Incompetent lazy
5ch janitor (jim?) Competent hard worker
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i forgot to post these in the OP, these are english portals to futaba.
https://futabachannel.neocities.org/
https://services.4-ch.net/2chportal/
https://medaka.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/cartoon/1491121778/l50
https://medaka.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/cartoon/1647777194/l50
https://medaka.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/cartoon/1525956054?v=pc
https://medaka.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/cartoon/1675665253/l50
Extremely fascinating looking at their perspective of western media.
>They missed Moore's writing, its magnificence, focused on the story's spectacle and adult themes, and missed the literary pomp of Moore.
>They understood that Moore and Gibbons were throwing all their energy into violence and adulthood, and that was the beauty of comics.
>They concluded that realism in comics is violence and sex.
>The problem was in the 90s. The 90s were full of comics that took realism to mean violence and sex.
>Many of them came from young American creators who read Watchmen at a young age and couldn't understand what they were reading.
>Most did not have the talent to create works like >Moore, but the British creators who emerged after >Moore never did that.
>They understood, that violence was a tool, but that for a story to be real, it needed more than violence.
>Realism in comics came to mean violence, sex, swearing, and gray morality. I'll admit that sometimes it worked.
>What do you think matures about Watchmen? It's not violence, it's emotion. Night Owl feels unsatisfactory.
"A comedian who is a sadist. The figure of Silk Spectre seeking love and acceptance. The silent despair of Ozymandiaz in the face of Armageddon. >That's the reality. Emotion. It's something we can all understand.
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I saved this a while back on a 4chan thread.
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video 4, Average day in Vietnam.
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Ever since Jim Watkins pried 2channel from Hioryuki's hands (you can read about it here: https://anonymous-japan.org/fake2ch/)
There have been apparently threads called "Let’s talk with Jim-san" discussing the future of the website where Jim Watkins goes under the "Grape Ape ★" alias (honestly he should just have shortened it to nigger) responding to all comments in English:
https://web.archive.org/web/20140323015347/http://qb5.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/operate/1394956912/
I am unsure of how that nigger Hiroyuki interacted with the 2ch community prior to Jim Watkins but I do like how much Jim interacts with the community in these posts.
>>114
>https://anonymous-japan.org/fake2ch/
Interesting. This site alleges that 2chan allowed third parties to censor posts for a fee, and that one of the customers was the japanese ruling party LDP. Additionally, the author suggests the administration had been pushing right wing propaganda on 2chan.
Now I find this interesting because after Hioryuki lost access to 2chan, he bought 4chan in 2015. Wasn't that right around the time when 4chan started turning really right wing? People complain about shills on 4chan all the time, but I never considered the possibility of it being a major influence on the site
>>115
And what's happening with jim now? I didnt realise he posted on 2chan back in the day.
2chan/Futaba☆Channel = 2chan.net
2ch, 2channel = 5ch.net, 2ch.net, 2ch.sc
chan = imageboard, (ex: 4chan.org = imageboard)
channel = textboard, (ex: 4-ch.net = textboard)
(Although on the Japanese internet when a person says "2chan" they probably mean 2channel also instead of saying 4chan to refer to 4chan they say 4ch.)
>>115
Because of the stuff stated in the article Hiroyuki is like the perfect guy to work with the feds like god knows what kind of system was implemented ever since he took ownership of the website like I bet every "Anonymous" user has his own folder where they track every single thing they do on the website which they hand over to feds or sell to advertisers coming from from the same ip-address like post-data, mouse movements, redirects, opened/downloaded files.
I also remember watching a livestream from null (the owner of kiwifarms) on the situation with Hiroyuki and Jim Watkins a few years ago: https://youtu.be/AJouK4e28hE [Play] and from what I remember, null being the normalnigger that he is (taking shit at face value without doing any actual research), bought everything Hiroyuki said about the situation portraying Hiroyuki as the sole victim having done absolutely nothing wrong in this case.
I should probably rewatch that livestream since my memory about it is kind of foggy although I remember there being a few mentions about how Jim kept losing many users to platforms like twitter and how when he tried to modernize 2channel users kept getting mad at him since they like their internet looking like it's out of the last century.
It would be really interesting to hear this from the perspective of any 2channel users who were around during Hiroyuki's reign to compare his treatment to Jim Watkin's of the website and if Jim Watkin's statement of how Hiroyuki abandoned the website is really true as just browsing the "Let’s talk with Jim-san" threads it feels almost as if Hiroyuki neglected the website for many years until Jim Watkin's stepped in and fixed problems plaguing the website for years. You can just hear many user's crying out with a loud voice "JIM-SAN HELP US!" and him being completely overwhelmed with the amount of stuff he's tasked to do.
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>>>/b/573/#3099 I'm surprised you still remember... Also yeah I probably rewatched Oruchuban Ebichu more than 6 times lol.
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>>118
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Unless you can recognize lies as lies, (using message boards) can be difficult.
>>120
However: taking everything at face value can be a very fun experience
>>121
Why would anyone post anything other than their 100% sincere and, more importantly, truthful opinions online? Irony is a poison.
https://web.archive.org/web/20010620174052/https://www.niji.or.jp/home/mic/tokyo_ug.html
Random Translation Notes: "Neomugicha" is the perpretator of the Nishitetsu Bus Hijacking Incident in 2000 and >>>/b/1396's post has Hiroyuki's quote on his first media appearance regarding the incident: https://dic.pixiv.net/a/ネオむぎ茶.
Terminology and AA characters: https://services.4-ch.net/2chportal/ https://4-ch.net/ascii/kareha.pl/1112629846/
ROM (Read Only Member - Lurker) https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q109552985
DOM (Download Only Member) a user who only downloads files but never contributes by uploading or sharing. https://plaza.rakuten.co.jp/kamakennpou/46000/
ｵﾏｴﾓﾅｰ https://dic.pixiv.net/a/お前もな (Mona was created to reply with a literal "You too." https://dic.pixiv.net/a/モナー)
Also the original flash file name was "tokyo.sfw" but I looked through all possible search engines and can't find a single working link or archive: http://www.kit.hi-ho.ne.jp/kiyoto-s/tokyo.swf
Tokyo Underground (LOL) Hey you!
Tokyo Underground (LOL) Hey you!
Tokyo Underground (LOL) Hey you!
Tokyo Underground (LOL) Hey you!
Hikikomori cries out expressing their inner voices through text: I'm so depressed, I should just die!
-> "What about you?" "What about you?"
People like them gather in this quiet corner and pretend to be friends.
-> "You too, you too!" "You too, you too!"
Misfits unable to blend into society, hididing behind anonymity to talk big.
-> "They sure do! They sure do!"
They’re just bystanders who keep tossing out petty complaints, unbearably annoying anonymous nobodies, shouting.
-> "Check it out yo!" "Check it out yo!"
Ultra ultra ultra, super excellent. Ultra ultra ultra ultra, super excellent.
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Ultra ultra ultra, super trash threads. Ultra ultra ultra ultra, super trash threads.
Ultra ultra ultra, super trash threads. Ultra ultra ultra ultra, super trash threads.
age, sage, yes men (or samefags (･∀･) (?)), and Namefags, you can go die!
Zonu (ぞぬ) Giko (ｷﾞｺ) Neomugicha (ネオ麦茶) trolls and agitators, you can go die!
Lurkers, download only members, spoon fed types, and insistent crazies, you can go die!
Right wingers, left wingers, reckless biker gangs, and DQN, you can go die!
SEX, MASTURBATE, RELAX - SEX, MASTURBATE, RELAX - HOORAY!
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SEX, MASTURBATE, RELAX - SEX, MASTURBATE, RELAX - HOORAY!
SEX, MASTURBATE, RELAX - SEX, MASTURBATE, RELAX.
Engaging in samefagging to promote yourself, but when caught, you pretend to know nothing.
-> "What about you?" "What about you?"
Without a proper proxy, your IP will get exposed and linked for the whole world to see!
-> "To the world, GO! To the world, GO!"
Repeatedly copy and pasting spam, ready for the browser to crash, acting all tough and posting your email.
-> "Reckless aren't you..."
Pretending to be a woman and persistently fishing for serious replies:
-> "You're so annoying!" "Are you just trolling?"
Tokyo Underground (LOL) Hey you!
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Looking at some of these videos I am constantly reminded of how a lot of stuff that people thought originated on 4chan came originally from futaba-channel but then lost its context over the way to 4chan.
Guys...
trying to browse https://may.2chan.net/b/ and its a bit difficult with the outdated view in the catalog. I believe there were a bunch of extension or sites to make browsing on futaba channel easier. Does anyone know?
Something in foreign. I don't really see the point in having a foreign country and language if you don't speak English. What am I supposed to do when I visit?
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>>129
Maybe I am too stressed to understand but can someone decipher what he's trying to say? I re-read that entire sentence more than 20 times now and it makes no sense to me.
>>117
That implies paying for a growing footprint of storage, on top of the site's bills. Imagine storing the shitposting record of millions of users spamming slurs and low-quality quips. I don't know what you could possibly use that for.
It's not like someone irl will ever ask you what's your IP or that any company ever checks what is your current IP before dealing with you.
What might be happening on a lot of sites (and in a lot of browsers) is that they might be letting bigger players use data to train their AIs. That's what I heard about a browser like Brave is doing. Though this is illegal in some jurisdictions, in the EU they would have to make it clear what handing over your data involves, what is it used for etc. And normally they disclose advertising interests.
>>117
Oh yeah that reminds me I tried to look up Jim Watkins on the Japanese internet and posted about it to someone in DMs so I'll just repost it here:
https://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/ジム・ワトキンス
User Reactions and Popularity:
Initially, Jim was popular among users of the Kenmou board (嫌儲板) and other communities opposed to affiliate blogs.
He allocated dedicated servers for active boards like Nandemo Jikkyou J (NanJ) and VIP, which helped him gain support from many 2channel users.
Conversely, users who relied on affiliate blogs as news sources or ran such blogs themselves voiced strong opposition.
Shift in Popularity:
Jim frequently communicated with users on the Kenmou board, sometimes even changing the username field to "I am not Abe" (a political statement criticizing the Abe administration).
However, his reputation declined due to:
Inability to effectively counter 2ch.sc (Hiroyuki's rival site).
Partnership with the Jane Style developer (a widely criticized 2channel browser) to monetize ads.
Monetization changes in Ronin Membership, despite initially gaining popularity for offering free access to past logs.
He occasionally posts humorous comments like "Warota" (an internet slang meaning "LOL" in Japanese), prompting the typical user response: "Nani waroten nen" ("What's so funny?").
Comments:
"This Jim guy is the embodiment of resentment among the lowest of white society. His looks aren't great, and after retiring from the military, he got involved in pornography, leading a rather unimpressive life. This turned him towards white supremacy, and now he's contributed to the rise of terrorist groups like QAnon, causing division in America.
What's more amazing is that if it weren't for both Jim and Hiroyuki, the current division in America might not have happened. These two will go down in history... for all the wrong reasons."
"Isn't he considered 'poor white'? How can we help people in that situation? Maybe job placement programs?"
"This place has become an outdated dump full of society's rejects. Errors like 'Please take this elsewhere' keep popping up, and I can't post properly.
5ch is really done for this time. With stronger measures against defamation, maybe this site should just be shut down.
And to those complaining about not being able to see past logs – if you have that much free time, go to Hello Work (job center) and get a job."
"This is the worst mismanagement ever. It was already declining under Hiroyuki, but this guy has accelerated the decline at an unprecedented rate.
Instead of attracting users by improving the site, he just keeps adding more ads, driving users away even more.
It’s a vicious cycle. This place is a disaster."
"Instead of banning trolls, they boast about their tolerance for gore.
Admins here are seriously out of touch."
"I skimmed through the comments, and yeah, his reputation is pretty bad.
Like someone else said, he has zero willingness to listen to user feedback.
It's doomed."
"There’s a lot of hate against the new American admin, but blindly worshiping Hiroyuki, who also messed up plenty of times, doesn’t make sense either."
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"The one who destroyed ASCII art culture on 2ch (5ch).
I wish he were dead."
"I hate this guy too, but he's not solely responsible for the decline of ASCII art.
The rise of smartphones, changes in browser font settings, and the rise of copyright awareness contributed more to its decline."
"I'm the reason Yukkuri became the 5ch mascot.
I sincerely apologize to all Yukkuri fans and MR** Sensei, except for JIM and those lunatics from Anajitsu and Ai boards.
Everything I get obsessed with ends up becoming a joke and decaying afterwards.
It’s like I’ve been cursed with bad luck."
"Is his wife connected to the Korean Peninsula?
Man, both this guy and Hiroyuki are two sides of the same coin... lol"
"Same with NicoNico — why do the admins keep changing the UI when people just come to see the content?
No one asked for these changes."
"He hijacked 2ch, implemented the forced ID feature (ﾜｯﾁｮｲ), and then made it so you have to pay to hide it.
Seriously, Jim is the worst.
Isn’t this criminal behavior?"
"This guy hijacked 2ch, made a bunch of changes, and eventually killed it.
Now, when you access 2ch, you’re forced to go to 5ch.
Most people can’t even post unless they mess with their settings.
Honestly, moving to Open2ch, which was created with the previous admin’s permission, is the best way to use it like before.
Open2ch"
Just a small snippet of what was posted.
Someone also posted an entire time-line of events what happened after Jim Watkin's takeover but it might get confusing with the MTL translation.
I found the Yoshinoya Copypasta that was originally popular on 2channel on 4-ch lol
https://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/吉野家コピペ
>Originally, it came from the personal diary of a user with the pen name Shinbaku (新爆), posted on his personal blog on April 7, 2001.
>Due to how easily it could be remixed, it quickly migrated to 2channel (2ch) where it exploded in popularity
Yesterday, I went to the Yoshinoya near my house.
But for some reason, it was insanely crowded. I couldn’t find a seat at all.
When I looked around, I noticed they had a banner hanging that said “150 yen off” or something.
Like… seriously, what is wrong with people? Are you all idiots?
You don’t normally even come to Yoshinoya, and now you show up just because it’s 150 yen cheaper? Give me a break.
It’s 150 yen. Just 150 yen.
There were even families there. A family of four, all going to Yoshinoya. Congratulations, I guess.
And then the dad’s like, “Alright, I’m getting the extra-large!” or something. I couldn’t watch anymore.
I wanted to say, “I’ll give you the 150 yen, just let me have your seat.”
Yoshinoya’s supposed to have more of an intense atmosphere, you know?
Like, you sit across from some stranger at a U-shaped counter, and it wouldn’t be surprising if a fight broke out at any moment.
That kind of “stab or be stabbed” tension is what gives it flavor.
Women and children should stay out of it.
So I finally manage to get a seat, and then the guy next to me says, “I’ll have a large with extra sauce.”
At that point, I just got pissed all over again.
Who even orders extra sauce these days?
And he said it like he was really proud of himself, too.
I wanted to ask him, “Do you really want extra sauce? Or did you just want to say the word?”
I wanted to grill him for like an hour.
I mean seriously, aren’t you just saying it because it sounds cool?
If you ask me — someone who actually knows his way around Yoshinoya — the current trend among regulars is definitely extra green onions.
This is it: a large bowl with extra onions and a raw egg.
That’s what people in the know are ordering.
They add more onions, and cut back on the meat. That’s how it works.
Top it off with a raw egg. That’s the strongest combo.
But if you keep ordering that, there’s a risk the staff will start to remember you. It’s a double-edged sword.
Not something I’d recommend for beginners.
Honestly, you amateurs should just stick with the beef-and-salmon set meal or something.
>According to the thread titled "Yoshinoya Copypasta Guideline" on 2ch, the first time this text was posted to 2channel was:
>Thread Title: "Yoshinoya’s Beef Bowl!" (B-class Gourmet Board)
>URL: http://natto.2ch.net/jfoods/kako/975/975398997.htmlexit
>Post number: 619
>This was just two days after the original diary was posted, on April 9, 2001.
>At that time, the response from other users was extremely cold:
>"You probably worked hard to write that, but it’s not funny at all."
>"Sometimes there are guys who miss the mark so bad it’s just embarrassing."
>Later in the same thread, at post number 645, the exact same text was reposted.
>People responded harshly again, saying:
>"You liked your own post at 619 so much you reposted it? It’s still not funny."
>Given how iconic it later became, it’s pretty interesting to look back at how coldly it was received at first.
>In 2007, during the first season, first episode of the anime "Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei,"
>this text was oddly inserted into part of the opening animation.
>It shows how even now, the Yoshinoya Copypasta has continued to live on in modern subculture, albeit in different forms.
>By 2010, it became rare for the full copypasta to be reposted, and it stopped being something people tried to use for laughs on its own.
>However, certain phrases originating from it — like:
>"Anyway, forget that, listen to this," (often used to start a post that's off-topic)
>or "I want to grill you for a small hour" (小一時間問い詰めたい),
>still appear occasionally as set phrases in Japanese internet speech.
>The roots of those expressions are undeniably from the Yoshinoya Copypasta.
not sure why but I frequently see that first video get reposted on futaba every time I check
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As /v/ is currently engaging in raiding /jp/ for ZUN using AI in the latest Touhou game I see a lot of interesting accusations coming out.
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It reminds me a lot of the early talk on /jp/ about how touhou got so annoying to the point that both 2ch/2chan back then either exiled or created a ghetto board for any Touhou posters and anything outside of it got instantly purged where they even went on to create their own boards to solely discuss Touhou. As we know this isn't the first time Hiroyuki has pulled some shit like this (ex: selling board user data to the japanese government) so it wouldn't be far fetched to say that a lot of the early posts could have been ZUN's own shills alongside Nishimura's help. If I remember correctly here in the west it was a bunch of cross-boarders from Japan that used every opportunity to make Touhou popular as well although don't quote me on that.
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This is insane to be because it's like, touhou was a big deal and now the fandom is imploding, and all the secrets are coming into the light.
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>>405
Well hiroyuki-kun, this is how far the astroturfing had brought you. Are you proud of yourself, oji-san?
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lol this cant be real
A thread I managed to catch on futaba channel discussing nico nico that has a lot of retarded opinions by stupid fucking children who can't even tell the basics like nico nico not being just a video sharing platform but one for otakus to share videos with other otakus and pretending Youtube can emit the same kind of environment is a fucking joke. Not sure when some of these people first got exposed to nico nico but pretending that there's anything new worth watching on there is a joke and trying to use that as the basis for an argument is clearly retarded. Although there is a lot of stuff I agree with like that place being a breeding ground for disgusting inmu faggots and netouyo (the same kind hiroyuki was breeding on 2channel while supporting the Japanese government). Still nico nico is probably the only place I regularly go to that makes me not feel bored on the internet if you can ignore everything trending on there or inmu-faggots shitting up videos with their worthless spam comments.
https://may.2chan.net/b/res/1322144106.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20250525092829/https://may.2chan.net/b/res/1322144106.htm
Translated using ChatGPT so excuse the retarded formatting:
0. YouTube-kun has gotten so crappy lately that, in comparison, Nico Nico is starting to look better.
1. That’s Nico Nico for you.
2. IT’S HEEEEERE!!! (excitement scream)
3. (Only quotes OP – no new comment)
4. It might as well not exist anymore.
5. I don’t need those trash comments.
6. Washed-up garbage—just die already.
7. Both yes and no.
8. Isn’t there nothing to watch?
9. Quoting OP – No. No. Absolutely not.
10. I switched to radio—no screen to look at, perfect while drawing.
11. “Owango.” (pun on Dwango + “owacon”)
12. Quoting “Nothing to watch?” – The complete drama-CD audio of Sensei no Ojikan is only here, so I come back every few months to listen. That’s all though.
13. A site with no value except Inmu.
14. Maybe it’s just right for half-senile grandpas.
15. Quoting 13 – So that means it’s worthless.
16. It’s fine for watching old stuff, though.
17. Quoting “crappy comments” – And YouTube’s any better?
18. Somebody teach YouTube-kun how to search.
19. Triple-quoting thread – Wait, you actually read YouTube comments?
20. So you admit YouTube comments are crap… that makes them the same level then.
21. Congrats on calling yourself trash for reading them.
22. I wish the Inmu trash and the site would just vanish together.
23. Quoting “YouTube’s any better?” – At least stuff doesn’t scroll across the screen from the right.
24. Comparing it to YouTube is rude at this point—too few users.
25. Nico Nico isn’t trash, but unless you like VOICEROID or Inmu there’s no reason to use it.
26. Quoting 18 – YouTube has more features. Nico Nico just survives because it has so few videos.
27. There are so few users it's like, why is this still being run?
28. Quoting 25 – VOICEROID stays in its lane but Inmu spreads everywhere—exhausting.
29. Genre range is too narrow; even otaku content is just VOICEROID and some anime.
30. Both VOICEROID and Inmu are crap—let them vanish.
31. Is there any point in uploading or watching on Nico Nico anymore?
32. Nico search is exact-match only, so dumb users are happy not realizing it hides what they want.
33. Take back the Homo and Mi-sure threads! They’re your kids!
34. Nico Nico ruined the rankings and lost 10% traffic—*it’s* the one getting worse now.
35. Having fewer users is actually nice.
36. Videos rotate every 3 days, so daily browsing is clean—but good videos also disappear fast.
37. Wish YouTube let us block trash-comment users—it's annoying.
38. That toxic userbase meshes well with stalkers and bullies—probably stronger now.
39. Nico search would break if a few influencers spammed—it only works because no one’s there.
40. Has more incentives than its premium fees, at least.
41. Trolls like nuisance YouTubers more—what's left on Nico is stuck weirdos.
42. Tag vandalism used to be a thing when it was popular… now?
43. Kinbae threads are always up—this place is like a colony.
44. Views are dropping while uploads stay flat—just endless garbage now, most genres are dead.
45. Quoting 15 – Worthless and harmful.
46. Aside from thin content, cringey inside jokes, and bad management—it’s a great site. (sarcasm)
47. Turns out I didn’t need scrolling comments after all. I don’t need Nico Nico anymore.
48. Influencers use Yukkuri? That’s mainstream now? I don’t see it.
49. Use YouTube filters if the comments bother you.
50. Isn’t it embarrassing not to even know how to use YouTube properly?
51. Scrolling comments aren’t the problem—it being an Inmu nest is enough reason for it to die.
52. Politically centrist here at least—you can criticize legacy media and there are fewer globalists.
53. Current-events vids get thousands of views on YouTube but barely double-digits here.
54. YouTube makes things fun without scrolling comments—no reason to use a leaky site like Nico.
55. Even this site now complains “please disable adblock” like it’s all grown up.
56. What do you even mean by “Yukkuri as a genre”?
57. Nico is a breeding ground for Inmu, Iwama, Syamu, HaseKara—it’s small and nasty so they stand out.
58. A video site that’s been called “dead” for over a decade.
59. YouTube’s autoplay got worse—no longer good for background viewing.
60. YouTube makes you log in, pay to remove ads, and still buffers—scale aside, it’s not that different.
61. “Haha it’s dead” → “Yeah it’s dead” → “…it’s dead” — that’s how it evolved.
62. That’s right ×114514! (Inmu meme response)
63. I love falling asleep to NicoNico Live Cruise—keep that even if the rest dies.
64. Search “politics” and all you get is anti-vax and nationalist stuff—scary.
65. It went downhill because behind-the-scenes staff wanted the spotlight.
66. “Yukkuri as a genre” means no one searches it anymore, only influencer vids show up.
67. Don’t need these in-group award shows.
68. Real corporate ads were playing when I checked Nico recently.
69. You don’t have a Google account?! That’s more shocking than your comment.
70. Yukkuri cooking videos actually do pretty well.
71. YouTube still buffers with Premium—their network is bad.
72. Really? I only ever see VOICEROID videos.
73. If you just want someone to see your video, Nico might be okay—YouTube buries most.
74. I only watch RTA (speedruns).
75. Can’t believe it’s been almost a year since the ransomware thing.
76. YouTube still gives people chances; on Nico, unless it’s VOICEROID, you don’t even get that.
77. As if anyone searches by newest upload on Nico…
78. Few users, yet it still lags. The temporary version was way faster.
79. Don’t Nico Ads push new videos or something?
80. Even here you’ve got weirdos browsing by newest threads to post trash.
81. Nico’s biggest weakness now is just the low population. Don’t ask how it got this way.
82. Watching is nicer on Nico since it doesn’t have constant ads—the problem is the content.
83. Nico Ads are pay-to-win for influencers—normal users get nothing out of it.
84. Uploaders are dropping too—this thing’s really done.
85. This is the last conservative video site—Toshis need to keep it alive against the libs/globalists.
86. Uploads haven’t dropped, but that ruins search. It’d be better if they had.
87. Creators I watched never came back after the hack.
88. If it’s the only conservative site left, it’s also become a conspiracy hub.
89. Is it any easier to get views uploading here than on YouTube now?
90. It was a pioneer a decade ago—that’s a fact. Now even boob guys avoid it.
91. There *are* people who use date filters on YouTube—even if they don’t work well.
92. People said it was dead years ago—more people have left since then.
93. During the downtime I switched to YouTube and never went back—way more content.
94. Found a funny voice-let’s-player who quit after 50 uploads. Not VOICEROID? Then your odds are 10× worse than YouTube.
95. Comments have shifted from “let’s all enjoy this” to just reacting to streamers like VTubers.
96. Quoting “If I upload now will views equal YouTube?” – I searched a game title and found a decent live-voice LP that quit after a 50-video cap; if it’s not VOICEROID your odds are 1/10 of YouTube. This place is basically a VOICEROID-only site…
97. In the biim-style RTA scene some creators post to Nico just for comments, then re-upload to YouTube once they’ve got enough.
98. Nico may be VOICEROID-heavy, but among newcomers in the last 3 yrs hitting 500 subs is easier here; at 1 000 subs YouTube wins—proof it’s a dying village.
99. One camp is VOICEROID, another VTubers, another Zundamon conspiracy theories.
100. Those RTA vids need viewer comments to feel complete, so if they want YouTube uploads too, fair enough.
101. For creators chasing revenue, double-dipping comments is easy money—even “Oyatsu-no-Hito” does it; why worry?
102. Going big on YouTube is like a one-shot gag—think anime MADs.
103. Quoting 102 – If the content’s truly good, it just needs to hit recommendations and get clicked.
104. Newly uploaded vids are nothing but Inmu—what am I supposed to watch?
105. There’s no way to search live-voice commentaries on Nico; that’s why no one cross-posts to YouTube anymore.
106. Quoting OP – Remember how Shinzo Abe loved Nico enough to host party debates there? With Abe gone, Nico’s momentum too…
107. I don’t mind the double-upload trick—it makes vids better. Just sad Nico’s sunk to a “get comments here” site, but they did it to themselves.
108. Link to /newarrival – No Inmu at all… though still nothing worth watching.
109. Abe factor? It’s just that one Niwango founder is Aso’s son.
110. “Sad Nico fell to comment site”? It started as a place to slap comments on YouTube videos and laugh.
111. When I open the site it autoplays random Shorts I don’t want—can they stop that?
112. Abe died in 2022; Nico’s decline is unrelated—Abe-haters pop up everywhere.
113. I want a category-block (NG) feature.
114. And Abe fanboys pop up everywhere too.
115. Can’t hide genres/channels, recs are garbage, rankings ruined—so I basically stopped watching.
116. Some folks think dropping Abe’s name is a guaranteed power move.
117. (Image reaction to 116)
118. Current rankings don’t isolate “that thing,” NicoRank NG unusable—rankings are worthless now.
119. (Image post) IT’S HEEEEERE!!!
120. They think shouting “Abe’s fault!” at every inconvenient fact means victory.
121. Nico still has good points: tags work far better than YouTube, search skips junk, and bullet comments make tough anime easier to watch.
122. The left’s “Abe-gaa!” and feminists’ “That’s why you don’t get dates” are the same shut-up trump card.
123. LOL you said “left-wing”; just say “payo-ku” outright.
124. “Search skips junk”? Really? New order is garbage flood, popular is one influencer wall—without NicoRank NG you can’t find good creators.
125. I stick to certain categories, so even on YouTube my list ends up all already-watched vids.
126. I only use it to read manga.
127. You’re always trash-talking YouTube…
128. Crappy vids become watchable with comments—that’s good. Old mass-produced junk survives on comment power, so newbies die, but it’s fine for anime viewing.
129. We bad-mouth Nico too; as for TikTok or Twitch, no one even mentions them.
130. Rankings are basically 30 % streamed anime, 60 % VOICEROID anyway.
131. Quoting 129 – They’re senile repeaters; like they’d know any platform besides Nico and YouTube.
132. Lots of Toshis love Nico (see the “watch Gundam with homos” threads), so it always comes up.
133. Calling that clingy mob “Toshiaki” feels wrong—it’s just a stalker collective.
134. Never thought RTA, once huge, would decline this much.
135. Which side is actually clinging to the homo-watch threads that mind their own business?
136. “Homo-watch” is basically folks playing with meme quotes—just cozy buddy-buddy vids.
137. Who’s really obsessed? You harass the “homo-watch” thread that stays put, yet it’s hated everywhere because it never stays contained — do your homo-fixation goggles keep you from seeing that?
138. When will YouTube search ever work? It spews tons of videos unrelated to the keywords.
139. Tons of fads die here, so I’m more amazed VOICEROID has lasted this long than that RTA faded.
140. Inmu spams a bunch of threads though.
141. At least here it’s the anti-Inmu crowd bringing up Inmu even when it wasn’t mentioned.
142. “Inmu wasn’t mentioned in this thread” — go see a doctor.
143. That Shin Momotarō RTA that wrapped this month was fun, though.
144. Homo-kids are red-faced after their beloved Inmu and obsessions got trashed.
145. YouTube started pushing ads every five minutes, ugh.
146. People watched that Shin Momotarō run as a new Chamame video, not as an RTA.
147. RTA ran out of material; newer games don’t catch on at Nico so it’s all obscure retro — no wonder it faded.
148. Can’t rebut so you attack the person — pathetic.
149. Lately too many VOICEROID folks make biim-style vids just for views; RTA should stay game-centered.
150. biim-style feels out of ideas — split between insane hardcore players and view-hungry VOICEROID creators.
151. Influencers get popular speed-running cheap Steam junk, so the issue is RTAs got mass-produced and no one searches for them anymore.
>>413
>26. Quoting 18 – YouTube has more features. Nico Nico just survives because it has so few videos.
I really wonder what features this guy is talking about since I barely use any of them anymore... if anything it's been downgrading its features since a decade ago on top of how now basically every single bad word has to be censored on Youtube. It's a fucking shit hole where barely anything is authentic anymore and created only for cashflow. Even the new feature to be able to play videos back in another language was community made.
>76. YouTube still gives people chances; on Nico, unless it’s VOICEROID, you don’t even get that.
That's what I kind of noticed that is sadly true that unless you have a big following on nico nico even if you have a really good video it'll just get underneath the pile of trash videos being uploaded. It'll take less than 24 hours for your video to basically get buried and get basically zero attention there after.
>77. As if anyone searches by newest upload on Nico…
Pretty much. There are many thousands of really good videos buried on nico nico that you could probably never watch all even if you wanted to.
>85. This is the last conservative video site—Toshis need to keep it alive against the libs/globalists.
I wish they chose another platform than nico nico to do so but it seems like the entire japanese video sharing / discussion space has stagnated so much that nothing ever new takes off or is even being created. Like it says a lot when users from 2chan instead of trying to pack their things to a better board that has better moderation instead choose to roam in discord servers making me question what the whole point of anonymity was in the first place.
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"and lastly for those who weren't able to see the snow, I'll show you some snow"
I find it kind of sad how gacha shit, vtubers, ai porn makes up like 70% of futaba channel
LOL at the first one.
>>404
https://find.2ch.sc/?STR=ZUN&TYPE=TITLE&x=0&y=0&BBS=ALL&ENCODING=SJIS&COUNT=50
Seems like there's a bunch of thread on ZUN and AI on 2ch.
>>426
Here's one from the poverty board (chatgpt o3):
https://maguro.2ch.sc/test/read.cgi/poverty/1748076202/0-
1. Touhou creator ZUN: “I’m anti-AI, but AI is a handy tool; using generative AI was my way of saying I won’t lose.”
2. Source: https://note.com/yshell_38k/n/nc4ac6209675d
3. It’s just too amazing…!
4. That’s philosophy, yep.
5. What a deep thought 🤯
6. So using AI to imitate other companies’ games or music is a no-go, huh, sigh.
7. But creators have it rough—if they don’t want to get bashed by other creators they have to publicly act like they’re “half-AI.”
8. The moment you work while conscious of AI’s presence, AI stops being a tool and turns into a competitor—in other words you’ve already lost (´・ω・｀).
9. The essence of a creator is to put their own ideas out into the world; just drawing pictures makes you nothing but a tool for capitalists.
10. With art skills like his, he’d be better off using AI.
11. I ran the article through AI and summarized it: ZUN treats AI as a convenient tool and says he used it as a statement of will while not relying on it for the creative parts; both rejecting AI outright and handing creation over to AI are “losing,” so what matters is mastering it without fear or dependence; he deliberately used AI for backgrounds—parts anyone could make the same—and chose Adobe’s AI to sidestep rights issues; he says using AI isn’t bad but becoming “used by” AI is, and he wants fans to understand that.
12. Creators whose art is only so-so benefit the most.
13. That’s self-serving sophistry, idiot.
14. (Replying to 10) That crude art style and the fact he officially allows fan works are what make the content strong; if he used AI to boost his art quality it’d actually hurt the content.
15. Some people fight by not using it, and overseas that’s mainstream; folks from programming backgrounds really do lack some empathy.
16. Too many idiots wasting pointless effort.
17. People who hand everything to AI and people who never touch AI are both “losers.”
18. He’s basically saying the same thing Naoki Saito did; saying “being used means losing” shows his pride.
19. If the AI you used was trained on squeaky-clean data, nobody would complain anyway.
20. I wondered what exactly he means by the “creative parts” he keeps talking about.
21. No different from a politician twisting words to suit himself.
22. What a ridiculous bit of sophistry.
23. He mixes up viewpoints and sounds like a well-off bohemian; Ted Chiang was more grounded when he said he doesn’t fear AI as an artistic rival but does fear it as a capitalist tool.
24. “I used AI with a strong will.” Ugh…
25. He posted his feelings about Palworld and got anti-AI feelings fired back at him—lol.
26. All the fuss over AI just shows the swarm of otaku were only doing trivial stuff at the current AI level; real creators either adopt AI or out-perform it and don’t care—just like a sprinter isn’t bothered by a car zooming past.
27. Let’s quit drawing smiling schoolgirls in uniforms or swimsuits against blue skies—how is typing “blue sky uniform JK smiling, turned halfway” into a generator any different?
28. (Replying to 1) He basically said nothing—so lame; I can’t wait till slick old guys like him or Shigesato Itoi get canceled.
29. Stop spouting such irresponsible nonsense.
30. I wanted him to smack down the anti-AI crowd—what’s this? Is he stupid?
31. Musicians once flipped out over Edison’s recorded music: the American Federation of Musicians launched a $500 000 ad campaign (image https://i.imgur.com/fPw63wJ.jpeg) warning that “canned music” in theaters would throw 140 000 pros out of work, claiming machine music strips humanity and is adopted only to cut costs, with ads slated for 617 papers across the U.S. and Canada.
32. When synthesizers and sequencers appeared, live-performance-is-everything musicians pushed back saying sequencers had no soul; when the DTM boom hit, pros raged that “letting amateurs make songs easily is outrageous”; Visual Basic was mocked as a toy by C/C++ coders until people made shareware with it; Mac + PageMaker/Illustrator DTP angered paste-up and typesetting pros; Photoshop turned photo-retouch skills into software (once called “cheating”); word-processors met “manuscripts must be handwritten” cries; now all that’s normal.
33. It’s hilarious that anti-AI folks who made pocket money off Touhou fan works get a free pass.
34. I’m basically pro-AI, but “backgrounds aren’t creative so it’s OK” doesn’t click—recent games sync backgrounds to music in really elaborate ways, and I thought “wow, ZUN’s stepped it up.”
35. AI will keep spreading through every industry, so will anti-AI types retreat to the mountains?
36. To defeat an army of AIs you need an army of AIs—never yield to AI!
37. That logic is so twisted, LOL.
38. (Replying to 15) Programmers think the best thing is not having to write code at all; even without AI, using libraries is the smart move.
39. Even anti-AI people know AI would actually help their creative work; they resist only because it threatens their livelihood, but IT history shows that resistance is futile—ZUN must have seen some of that.
40. The moment you use it you’ve already lost—same old story.
41. Cringe excuse, lol.
