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Take a deep dive with me and find some hidden treasure. No context is necessary, and there are many ways to explore these boards: https://www.2chan.net/ https://2ch.sc/ https://5ch.net/ https://prev.strangeworld.icu/ You can post screenshots of threads/posts and repost whatever content you find. You can use google translate, deeply and I heard some browsers automatically translate text. There are probably more options out there.
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Futaba janitor (big breasts straight black hair woman) Incompetent hard worker
2ch janitor (Hiroyuki) Incompetent lazy
5ch janitor (jim?) Competent hard worker
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i forgot to post these in the OP, these are english portals to futaba.
https://futabachannel.neocities.org/
https://services.4-ch.net/2chportal/
https://medaka.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/cartoon/1491121778/l50
https://medaka.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/cartoon/1647777194/l50
https://medaka.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/cartoon/1525956054?v=pc
https://medaka.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/cartoon/1675665253/l50
Extremely fascinating looking at their perspective of western media.
>They missed Moore's writing, its magnificence, focused on the story's spectacle and adult themes, and missed the literary pomp of Moore.
>They understood that Moore and Gibbons were throwing all their energy into violence and adulthood, and that was the beauty of comics.
>They concluded that realism in comics is violence and sex.
>The problem was in the 90s. The 90s were full of comics that took realism to mean violence and sex.
>Many of them came from young American creators who read Watchmen at a young age and couldn't understand what they were reading.
>Most did not have the talent to create works like >Moore, but the British creators who emerged after >Moore never did that.
>They understood, that violence was a tool, but that for a story to be real, it needed more than violence.
>Realism in comics came to mean violence, sex, swearing, and gray morality. I'll admit that sometimes it worked.
>What do you think matures about Watchmen? It's not violence, it's emotion. Night Owl feels unsatisfactory.
"A comedian who is a sadist. The figure of Silk Spectre seeking love and acceptance. The silent despair of Ozymandiaz in the face of Armageddon. >That's the reality. Emotion. It's something we can all understand.
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I saved this a while back on a 4chan thread.
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video 4, Average day in Vietnam.
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Ever since Jim Watkins pried 2channel from Hioryuki's hands (you can read about it here: https://anonymous-japan.org/fake2ch/)
There have been apparently threads called "Let’s talk with Jim-san" discussing the future of the website where Jim Watkins goes under the "Grape Ape ★" alias (honestly he should just have shortened it to nigger) responding to all comments in English:
https://web.archive.org/web/20140323015347/http://qb5.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/operate/1394956912/
I am unsure of how that nigger Hiroyuki interacted with the 2ch community prior to Jim Watkins but I do like how much Jim interacts with the community in these posts.
>>114
>https://anonymous-japan.org/fake2ch/
Interesting. This site alleges that 2chan allowed third parties to censor posts for a fee, and that one of the customers was the japanese ruling party LDP. Additionally, the author suggests the administration had been pushing right wing propaganda on 2chan.
Now I find this interesting because after Hioryuki lost access to 2chan, he bought 4chan in 2015. Wasn't that right around the time when 4chan started turning really right wing? People complain about shills on 4chan all the time, but I never considered the possibility of it being a major influence on the site
>>115
And what's happening with jim now? I didnt realise he posted on 2chan back in the day.
2chan/Futaba☆Channel = 2chan.net
2ch, 2channel = 5ch.net, 2ch.net, 2ch.sc
chan = imageboard, (ex: 4chan.org = imageboard)
channel = textboard, (ex: 4-ch.net = textboard)
(Although on the Japanese internet when a person says "2chan" they probably mean 2channel also instead of saying 4chan to refer to 4chan they say 4ch.)
>>115
Because of the stuff stated in the article Hiroyuki is like the perfect guy to work with the feds like god knows what kind of system was implemented ever since he took ownership of the website like I bet every "Anonymous" user has his own folder where they track every single thing they do on the website which they hand over to feds or sell to advertisers coming from from the same ip-address like post-data, mouse movements, redirects, opened/downloaded files.
I also remember watching a livestream from null (the owner of kiwifarms) on the situation with Hiroyuki and Jim Watkins a few years ago: https://youtu.be/AJouK4e28hE [Play] and from what I remember, null being the normalnigger that he is (taking shit at face value without doing any actual research), bought everything Hiroyuki said about the situation portraying Hiroyuki as the sole victim having done absolutely nothing wrong in this case.
I should probably rewatch that livestream since my memory about it is kind of foggy although I remember there being a few mentions about how Jim kept losing many users to platforms like twitter and how when he tried to modernize 2channel users kept getting mad at him since they like their internet looking like it's out of the last century.
It would be really interesting to hear this from the perspective of any 2channel users who were around during Hiroyuki's reign to compare his treatment to Jim Watkin's of the website and if Jim Watkin's statement of how Hiroyuki abandoned the website is really true as just browsing the "Let’s talk with Jim-san" threads it feels almost as if Hiroyuki neglected the website for many years until Jim Watkin's stepped in and fixed problems plaguing the website for years. You can just hear many user's crying out with a loud voice "JIM-SAN HELP US!" and him being completely overwhelmed with the amount of stuff he's tasked to do.
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>>>/b/573/#3099 I'm surprised you still remember... Also yeah I probably rewatched Oruchuban Ebichu more than 6 times lol.
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>>118
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Unless you can recognize lies as lies, (using message boards) can be difficult.
>>120
However: taking everything at face value can be a very fun experience
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Why would anyone post anything other than their 100% sincere and, more importantly, truthful opinions online? Irony is a poison.
https://web.archive.org/web/20010620174052/https://www.niji.or.jp/home/mic/tokyo_ug.html
Random Translation Notes: "Neomugicha" is the perpretator of the Nishitetsu Bus Hijacking Incident in 2000 and >>>/b/1396's post has Hiroyuki's quote on his first media appearance regarding the incident: https://dic.pixiv.net/a/ネオむぎ茶.
Terminology and AA characters: https://services.4-ch.net/2chportal/ https://4-ch.net/ascii/kareha.pl/1112629846/
ROM (Read Only Member - Lurker) https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q109552985
DOM (Download Only Member) a user who only downloads files but never contributes by uploading or sharing. https://plaza.rakuten.co.jp/kamakennpou/46000/
ｵﾏｴﾓﾅｰ https://dic.pixiv.net/a/お前もな (Mona was created to reply with a literal "You too." https://dic.pixiv.net/a/モナー)
Also the original flash file name was "tokyo.sfw" but I looked through all possible search engines and can't find a single working link or archive: http://www.kit.hi-ho.ne.jp/kiyoto-s/tokyo.swf
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Hikikomori cries out expressing their inner voices through text: I'm so depressed, I should just die!
-> "What about you?" "What about you?"
People like them gather in this quiet corner and pretend to be friends.
-> "You too, you too!" "You too, you too!"
Misfits unable to blend into society, hididing behind anonymity to talk big.
-> "They sure do! They sure do!"
They’re just bystanders who keep tossing out petty complaints, unbearably annoying anonymous nobodies, shouting.
-> "Check it out yo!" "Check it out yo!"
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Ultra ultra ultra, super trash threads. Ultra ultra ultra ultra, super trash threads.
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age, sage, yes men (or samefags (･∀･) (?)), and Namefags, you can go die!
Zonu (ぞぬ) Giko (ｷﾞｺ) Neomugicha (ネオ麦茶) trolls and agitators, you can go die!
Lurkers, download only members, spoon fed types, and insistent crazies, you can go die!
Right wingers, left wingers, reckless biker gangs, and DQN, you can go die!
SEX, MASTURBATE, RELAX - SEX, MASTURBATE, RELAX - HOORAY!
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Engaging in samefagging to promote yourself, but when caught, you pretend to know nothing.
-> "What about you?" "What about you?"
Without a proper proxy, your IP will get exposed and linked for the whole world to see!
-> "To the world, GO! To the world, GO!"
Repeatedly copy and pasting spam, ready for the browser to crash, acting all tough and posting your email.
-> "Reckless aren't you..."
Pretending to be a woman and persistently fishing for serious replies:
-> "You're so annoying!" "Are you just trolling?"
Tokyo Underground (LOL) Hey you!
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Looking at some of these videos I am constantly reminded of how a lot of stuff that people thought originated on 4chan came originally from futaba-channel but then lost its context over the way to 4chan.
Guys...
trying to browse https://may.2chan.net/b/ and its a bit difficult with the outdated view in the catalog. I believe there were a bunch of extension or sites to make browsing on futaba channel easier. Does anyone know?
Something in foreign. I don't really see the point in having a foreign country and language if you don't speak English. What am I supposed to do when I visit?
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>>129
Maybe I am too stressed to understand but can someone decipher what he's trying to say? I re-read that entire sentence more than 20 times now and it makes no sense to me.
>>117
That implies paying for a growing footprint of storage, on top of the site's bills. Imagine storing the shitposting record of millions of users spamming slurs and low-quality quips. I don't know what you could possibly use that for.
It's not like someone irl will ever ask you what's your IP or that any company ever checks what is your current IP before dealing with you.
What might be happening on a lot of sites (and in a lot of browsers) is that they might be letting bigger players use data to train their AIs. That's what I heard about a browser like Brave is doing. Though this is illegal in some jurisdictions, in the EU they would have to make it clear what handing over your data involves, what is it used for etc. And normally they disclose advertising interests.
>>117
Oh yeah that reminds me I tried to look up Jim Watkins on the Japanese internet and posted about it to someone in DMs so I'll just repost it here:
https://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/ジム・ワトキンス
User Reactions and Popularity:
Initially, Jim was popular among users of the Kenmou board (嫌儲板) and other communities opposed to affiliate blogs.
He allocated dedicated servers for active boards like Nandemo Jikkyou J (NanJ) and VIP, which helped him gain support from many 2channel users.
Conversely, users who relied on affiliate blogs as news sources or ran such blogs themselves voiced strong opposition.
Shift in Popularity:
Jim frequently communicated with users on the Kenmou board, sometimes even changing the username field to "I am not Abe" (a political statement criticizing the Abe administration).
However, his reputation declined due to:
Inability to effectively counter 2ch.sc (Hiroyuki's rival site).
Partnership with the Jane Style developer (a widely criticized 2channel browser) to monetize ads.
Monetization changes in Ronin Membership, despite initially gaining popularity for offering free access to past logs.
He occasionally posts humorous comments like "Warota" (an internet slang meaning "LOL" in Japanese), prompting the typical user response: "Nani waroten nen" ("What's so funny?").
Comments:
"This Jim guy is the embodiment of resentment among the lowest of white society. His looks aren't great, and after retiring from the military, he got involved in pornography, leading a rather unimpressive life. This turned him towards white supremacy, and now he's contributed to the rise of terrorist groups like QAnon, causing division in America.
What's more amazing is that if it weren't for both Jim and Hiroyuki, the current division in America might not have happened. These two will go down in history... for all the wrong reasons."
"Isn't he considered 'poor white'? How can we help people in that situation? Maybe job placement programs?"
"This place has become an outdated dump full of society's rejects. Errors like 'Please take this elsewhere' keep popping up, and I can't post properly.
5ch is really done for this time. With stronger measures against defamation, maybe this site should just be shut down.
And to those complaining about not being able to see past logs – if you have that much free time, go to Hello Work (job center) and get a job."
"This is the worst mismanagement ever. It was already declining under Hiroyuki, but this guy has accelerated the decline at an unprecedented rate.
Instead of attracting users by improving the site, he just keeps adding more ads, driving users away even more.
It’s a vicious cycle. This place is a disaster."
"Instead of banning trolls, they boast about their tolerance for gore.
Admins here are seriously out of touch."
"I skimmed through the comments, and yeah, his reputation is pretty bad.
Like someone else said, he has zero willingness to listen to user feedback.
It's doomed."
"There’s a lot of hate against the new American admin, but blindly worshiping Hiroyuki, who also messed up plenty of times, doesn’t make sense either."
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"The one who destroyed ASCII art culture on 2ch (5ch).
I wish he were dead."
"I hate this guy too, but he's not solely responsible for the decline of ASCII art.
The rise of smartphones, changes in browser font settings, and the rise of copyright awareness contributed more to its decline."
"I'm the reason Yukkuri became the 5ch mascot.
I sincerely apologize to all Yukkuri fans and MR** Sensei, except for JIM and those lunatics from Anajitsu and Ai boards.
Everything I get obsessed with ends up becoming a joke and decaying afterwards.
It’s like I’ve been cursed with bad luck."
"Is his wife connected to the Korean Peninsula?
Man, both this guy and Hiroyuki are two sides of the same coin... lol"
"Same with NicoNico — why do the admins keep changing the UI when people just come to see the content?
No one asked for these changes."
"He hijacked 2ch, implemented the forced ID feature (ﾜｯﾁｮｲ), and then made it so you have to pay to hide it.
Seriously, Jim is the worst.
Isn’t this criminal behavior?"
"This guy hijacked 2ch, made a bunch of changes, and eventually killed it.
Now, when you access 2ch, you’re forced to go to 5ch.
Most people can’t even post unless they mess with their settings.
Honestly, moving to Open2ch, which was created with the previous admin’s permission, is the best way to use it like before.
Open2ch"
Just a small snippet of what was posted.
Someone also posted an entire time-line of events what happened after Jim Watkin's takeover but it might get confusing with the MTL translation.