This is a thread dedicated solely to cool retro anime or manga. Anime that feature action, violence, philosophy, sadness, and are from the year 2000 or earlier.
Screw anime filled with generic anime babes and slice-of-life nonsense! I don't want Isekai, I don't want school romance! I don't want feel-good otaku-pandering nonsense! I don't want comedy! I want men at war, I want real drama, I want high stakes, I want COOL anime!
Shows and movies from this era include: Trigun, Cowboy Bebop, Akira, Vampire Hunter D, Darkside Blues, Midnight Eye Goku, Ninja Scroll, and countless others
All of us already know about the legendary shows and manga that formed the foundation of modern media, but a lot of relatively unknown films and shows also inspired many modern creators, so this is a good place to share more obscure yet still well crafted media from ye olden times, while also discussing anything retro or "old" you're watching.
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>>530
i had all the names of the shows you mentioned in another tab to crosscheck if any of them was in my list of anime and manga to watch and read and once i saw what Midnight Eye Goku was about i knew i had to read it immediately. the (cybernetic) private eye is a fantastic concept to use (like "do androids dream of robotic sheep") and i figured it would be enjoyable.
>>531
That's interesting. What do you think you're going to move on to after you're finished reading/ watching MEG?
For me, I think I'm going to try and seek out something maybe a bit more fantasy-oriented, because almost everything mentioned ITT is science fiction in some sense of the word. I've already seen Ninja Scroll and I admittedly don't know too many non-sci-fi retro anime. If you have any recommendations, post them!
>>534
It depends on what you mean by "fantasy" (like sword and sorcery or in general?)
Ushio & Tora comes to mind, Buddy comedy of a demon and a kid (who where supposed to kill eachother) and end up uniting together to fight yokai.
>>534
trigun and vampire hunter d have been on my need to watch list for a while, ninja scroll sounds cool because i really like historical settings. might start with trigun because 25 episodes don't sound as bad to watch vs like two hours of vampire hunter d although i heard there was cool genre mixing involved. might checkout the original manga for trigun because it was the original format and it might be interesting to watch the anime later and spot the diffrences, if any.
>>539
In my opinion, the Trigun anime is better than the manga, because it has better pacing and the process by which the watcher learns more about Vash and the world is much more interesting.
Things that were big mysteries with little hints and foreshadowing placed in the show are just sort of dumped on the reader in the manga without any ceremony and it just felt kind of weird.
I also love Vampire Hunter D, and I think that both of the movies are absolutely spectacular watches with very good and interesting animation and a cool world, but Bloodlust is by far the better of the two and it makes me wish for more.
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In this thread, we will discuss the Devilman franchise. A large part of the discussion of this thread will be centered around the original manga from back in the 70's. Before we get into the manga, I would like to discuss the three OVAs for Devilman. Devilman: The Birth was one of the first animes I have ever seen. I am not much of a horror guy, but I enjoyed the suspense that was built up throughout the episode. The craziness kept my interest, and it felt sudden how Ryo's father died. Ryo seems to have something off about him. The party scene was an interesting place to have a battle of demons and Devilman. It is funny in a way, but I was distracted by how awesome the fight was. The Anthem song that played during the fight scene was a good song choice too. The first OVA is worth a watch to this day, in my opinion. Devilman: The Demon Bird is a worthy follow-up to the first OVA. Demon Bird is probably the best entry in the series in terms of action. The fight against Silene was great. I didn't know if Devilman would win or not because they did a good job showing how vicious Silene is. Words can't describe how good the fight was. The final OVA in the series is not canon for a reason. It is hot garbage and is just a gore fest without the impact. The deaths were not memorable except for the girlfriend. I would skip this one.
Throughout October I will be reading the manga from the 70's, and my goal will be one volume every three to four days. I will post the highlights, and I hope people join in on the discussion.42 replies (and 104 file replies) omitted. Click here to view.Edit
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Holy fuck Crybaby was such a glorious trainwreck.
i find it hilarious that getting possesed by a demon somehow gave akira a backbone but he's still moral like refusing to sleep with miki, BUT OH MAN DRIVING REAL FAST IS REALLY HARDCORE. not stabbing BUT PUNCHING A DELIQUENT IS FUCKING REAL SHIT, its like if someone started getting all hyped after ignoring a "do not walk on grass" sign and walking on the grass as a form of sticking it to the man.
>>306
This is what they do to us irl?
>>311
i'm getting mcfarlane vibes like the violator's true form from spawn. also what a bunch of fucking idiots i'm actually glad those drivers crashed.
pic 2/3 is an under rated sequence, i don't know how miki could've survive this one, she was lucky to be saved by the sliding glass door. i thought devilman would've gotten doxed inorder to save her but things kind of worked out.
also interesting how silen's terrified of devilman.
>>313
i was wondering why it took so damn long for amons full form to pop up.
>>314
i thought it was hilarious that akira's arm magically re-attached itself like resident evil village
I've been thinking recently on how it makes zero sense for ryo to somehow survive the slaughter at the underground club. There's a few things that comes to mind that just feel sketchy as fuck to me. Clearly i haven't read the full story yet and i will soon, i mean even akira mentioned how weird it was for ryo to just make it out alive unaltered. I'll see eventually what happends with that plot thread. At least to me it seems like ryo very well could be the hidden antagonist setting up akira to fail for some reason.
>>515
I think the whole scene demonstrated Devil Man's powers and abilities, and I guess Ryo survival is proof ┐that Devilman is powerful.
>>515
>wars are used to depopulate
real stuff in a manga about demon slaying no less
also with pic two, i just feel like it proves my fucking point with ryo being sketchy as fuck, there is no god damn way a regular ass human can face off against a demon and live and he allegedly forgot what happend afterwards?
>>320
i think it's cool that they are teaming up for once.
>pic 3
this is so fucking cool, the concept alone is great.
>>321
i like the face it's creepy as fuck.
with volume 3 coming to a close i cannot understate how great the art and storytelling is although it seems like things are starting to escalate, which feels way too fast if i'm being honest. i would have liked for the story to last a bit longer.
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Have you ever watched an anime scene that made you feel incredibly relaxed, even triggering an ASMR response? This thread is for sharing those clips. Please include the episode details, timestamp, and context about the scene if possible.
For example, this specific scene is from Ichigo Marshmallow OVA, Episode 2 at 12:00, where Matsuri-chan is reading a children's picture book called ワンワンコロコロ.
I'm making this quick thread while already almost falling asleep, so it's kind of perfect. Although I'm not sure if it meets 22chan's quality standards.6 replies (and 3 file replies) omitted. Click here to view.
>>435
how is it even possible to be this relaxed
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZT8lLBJGga8 [Play]
In azumanga diaoh. The school trip in okinawa (episode 21) where they went scuba diving was very calming to me.
Not sure if this would count but Culumon's voice from Digimon Tamers really relaxes me
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German, French and Russian dubs of anime are often pretty decent to great. But outside of VERY rare exceptions, English dubs suck more than often than that they're passable or decent. I don't get why that is, for a language that is spoken by the majority of people around the world, the scene for dubs is extremely small and basically contains only a few voice actors that play in everything and the translators are always those types.
I'm not even particularly that big of a subfag, I do often like watching stuff in its original language but when a dub is good I'll always give it a shot either on first watch or rewatch.21 replies (and 7 file replies) omitted. Click here to view.
I certainly struggle to watch anything dubbed after 2005. Ironically I enjoy the cheesy dubs from the 90s and early 2000s. It's mostly nostalgia for the days of watching it on TV and getting my hands on any VHS or DVD I could find through buying, trades, renting, and other outlets during my youth.
the fucking rozen maiden english dub lol jun-kun is voiced by z surfer boy
>>394
there was a fan dub of the final episode of the f zero anime that was well done
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ffwxJfblX7A [Play]
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Sorry but english dub watchers are stupid NIGGERS as it's nothing less than spitting on the creator's vision, a complete insult to them. imagine someone like Hayao Miyazaki spending years crafting every single detail from the dialogue to the cultural nuances to the visuals, all with intent and precision, and then you go and watch some bastardized cut-down disney dub that tears apart those subtleties, leaving behind a cheap hollow shell of the original, which then gets unfairly associated with him as if it reflects his vision. Even worse when it gets fully mangled into another language, erasing whatever soul the work once had.
Do you really think any official dub studio in the U.S. works relentlessly to hammer the character’s essence into the voice actors, making them understand the context of every line and the emotional weight behind it? no shot. most dub actors just get handed a script and are told to read lines. it’s treated like a part-time gig, not an assignment where they study and embody the character fully. This lack of respect isn’t new. Is it even a surprise that a company based in the US like A.D. Vision took advantage of the process? they churned out things like their troll dub of ghost stories that OBLITERATED the original series in the west >>>/a/282/ and anyone trying to watch it as it was intended gets laughed at for even suggesting it. And don’t get me started on fandubs. I have not watched a single fandub where there isn’t awkward delivery and retarded attempts to mimic the Japanese high-pitched voices. It creates this extremely strange hybrid of japanese and american styles that doesn’t fit naturally in either language. The mix of cultural elements feels forced and makes the entire thing come across as unnatural and out of place. Then even with subs you have to pick translations carefully to find teams that worked tirelessly to preserve the same meaning and nuance otherwise you’re still getting something warped. But watching a dub? that’s not about convenience it’s straight-up apathy. it’s choosing to ignore all of that to consume a watered-down version of something brilliant, made bland for mass consumption. With modern anime, though, this issue might matter less now because most studios couldn’t care less anymore as they outsource production to third-world shit-holes, cutting corners and churning out low-quality garbage that lacks any of the original precision or passion. So when the creators themselves don’t respect their own work it’s hard to expect anything better from the dubs. But even with that, the core problem with American dubs hasn’t changed. They still try to cram something fundamentally foreign into a completely different cultural lens, watering it down into something unrecognizable. If you really want to experience a work as the creator intended, the best way is to watch it with subtitles but not just any subtitles as you should stick to approved fansub groups that actually care about preserving the original meaning, tone, and cultural nuances (NOT FUCKING CRUNCHYROLL).
And if you absolutely have to adapt it for another audience at least don’t half-ass it with a dub. Go all out and remake it entirely in your own style with permission from the original creators. At least then it becomes its own version, a separate work that can be seen as another option and not a replacement for the original which should not be treated in the same lens as these adaptations.
>>536
thats why i watch subs, the only thing that scares me is the translation being fucked with on purpose.
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Thoughts on this anime? Personally, every time I watch lain, I notice something new. I realized that the humming of the telephone pole represents collective unconsciousness. That's all I got because I haven't watched it for like 2 years. I am still curious to see what 22chan thinks about Lain.18 replies (and 17 file replies) omitted. Click here to view.
serial experiments lain? more like serial experments boring.
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I think it's important that the resolution of SEL comes with Lain talking to a couple consisting of a teacher and alice, now a teacher-in-training. Modern homes and the modern family are alienated from reality, but the love of a schoolfriend or the genuine care of a good teacher still offers salvation.
Let's all love Lain
>>397
for some reason that flew over my head, holy shit. thats a good take.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=dtJO1V4OqG8 [Play]
https://youtube.com/watch?v=dtJO1V4OqG8 [Play]
http://project.cyberpunk.ru/lib/cyberia/
One of the book that was used in devlopment is availible online, via text or audio both of which i have linked.
Also if you haven't watch the anime Cyberia Café & Club is a location Lain visits.
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I'm fine with anyone splintering off into a new thread about a specific anime/manga that gets discussed in thread.
If it isn't obvious this thread is for the discussion of everything cyberpunk, even loosely classified kind of technophiliac stuff like Serial Experiments Lain is fine.
Cyber City Oedo 808 was incredible. Everything was kind of morally dubious so you couldn't exactly trust anyone but at the same time you had to really feel sorry for the protagonists and circumstances they got caught up in, i mean you KNOW they'll never be freed. I dig how they played with several genres, especially horror. The visuals are fucking incredible, it has a washed out feel and then all of the blaring neon in your face with the lights and then the way thd lights sometimes gets smeared with movement, really neat stuff.
A cyberpunk manga i read a while back was Blame! and what was cool is no exposition dump, you are totally thrown into a world even the main characters have no real clue about. There's hardly much dialoge at all and a ton of movement and action and it really worked because there's this deep mystery that's begging to be solved and as you read puzzle pieces are slowly assembled to explaim the hg giger teir apocalyptic world the characters are running around in.
A thread about posting and discussing Anime Sound/MADs.
Feel free to share what you like about a particular Anime MAD or the Anime it's about, also, if you have any referenced parts that might seem mysterious to you use the provided tags/comments on a video to find more about it, or feel free to ask here.
Q. How do I search for Anime MADs on Nico Nico Douga?
A. Refer to the video posted in this thread: >>>/b/1833
Also particularly regarding Anime MADs, many studios have the ability to take down any video containing even a small clip of their anime on Nico Nico Douga, but many of them choose not to do so because they recognize that Anime MADs, from an analytical standpoint, have actually helped them achieve many more sales than they could have otherwise which was especially relevant back then. Of course, there are a few instances like the Anime Rurouni Kenshin (KYM) where Fuji TV will seize any opportunity to remove any type of video featuring their anime, even if it's just a small clip. So, the workaround for that was to collaborate and completely re-animate parts of the series that were frequently used in MAD videos, so Fuji TV couldn't claim it as their property.
Please try to refrain from posting anything created by overseas individuals and any YTPMV Cover-styled MADs; you can usually identify those using tags like 「原曲不使用」 (Original Song Not Used: that recreate the entire BGM with a bunch of fake instrumentally sounding samples).
You do not need to translate a MAD in order to post it here, although I bet it would be greatly appreciated by anyone browsing the thread, and often you can find the lyrics online. If you do decide to do it, here are a few tools you could probably use:
Subtitle Software: https://github.com/Ristellise/AegisubDC or https://github.com/arch1t3cht/Aegisub
Translation: Deepl.com, Rikai-kun(Chrome Extension)/Rikai-tan(Firefox Extension) and ChatGPT.
OCR Software: https://github.com/kha-white/manga-ocr (pip install and then run with powershell or cmd using a command like "./manga_ocr" in conjunction with the capture function found in something like ShareX: https://getsharex.com/)
I spent some time picking out these for the thread:
Fashion Foreman [Pocky & Pepero Day] https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16135975 [Play] (Video 1) Kaiji & Akagi x ORANGE RANGE Oshare Banchou
Today I'm going to say it forcefully Ehttps://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7729693 [Play] (Video 2) Minami-ke Okaeri (first few episodes) x Otome yo Taishi o Idake!! のワの
An Unusually High-Tension 'Lucky☆Star' https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm1045437 [Play] (Video 3) Lucky☆Star x Hanasaka Tenshi Tenten-kun OP
【ＭＡＤ】ARCHIVE LOVERS【lain】 https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm4827745 [Play] (Video 4) serial experiment lain x Ayane ARCHIVE LOVERS
[Nichijou × Kaiji] The Foreman Trying to Make the Kaiji Group Laugh https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm15472714 [Play] (Video 5) Kaiji S2 x Nichijou 31 Episode 8 at 3:00
About that Anime that the Lucky Star video is parodying it is completely unknown to foreigners. It's basically about some alien angel that came to earth to help a unlucky boy who then creates more accidents, and I'm unsure if you can even find any subtitles for the episodes anywhere. The opening song as you might have noticed is hinting at something dirty, and believe it or not it was aired at 6 PM slot on Sunday when kids were watching the show: https://w.atwiki.jp/aniwotawiki/pages/16297.html
It wouldn't be an exaggeration to say that the entire song revolves around the chorus.
Clearly singing about a certain body part, right?
The most important issue is that "Hanasaka Tenshi Tenten-kun" aired on Saturday evenings at 6 o'clock.
As Shonen Jump has many child readers, Shueisha probably took that into account and scheduled the broadcast for the evening. However, the lyrics clearly pick a fight with the PTA.
Originally, this dirty joke-filled song...
originated when Tenten-kun, amidst classmates worrying about the other protagonist Hideyuki, suggested, "Let's sing together to cheer ourselves up."
His classmates immediately retorted, "Can we sing lyrics like these?" which left many readers bursting into laughter. It was a scene that no one would have imagined a few months later becoming the theme song of the anime adaptation.
During the broadcast, the Bla Bla Bla Boozes, who were performing the theme song on a variety show that handled Fuji TV anime, appeared in bizarre attire. (Even Shonen Jump's magazine commented, "Who are these guys?")
When the program's host, Koji Imada, asked, "You were clearly saying 'that,' right?" regarding the lyrics:
"I'm just talking about being stiff," was the reply.
During the chorus, even the female backup singers seem to take a step back from the microphone.
No matter how ambiguously expressed, it sounds nothing but obscene...
Moreover, this program aired during prime time.4 replies (and 6 file replies) omitted. Click here to view.
The ebichu videos sometimes carried the 運営のお気に入り (Favorites of the Management) tag, implying that despite clearly violating the rules, they were never taken down by Nico Nico’s staff. This comes from the idea that "they aren’t deleted because they’re favorites of the management," especially in the context of copyright violations and prohibited lewd content.
I've included the original clip for context. Also I'm pretty sure you could watch the entire show on youtube which included entire explanations at the start of the video for each joke made throughout the episode: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcUL2nawj67ImGBOzjqtsPzDYKG818rQ1 [Play] (some of them were sadly removed)
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm8519662 [Play] 【MANCOdechu☆】MancoManco【Mayim Mayim】⇦ This has more than 600,000 views and made it into many medley PVs there also even a few try to sing videos of it.
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9211182 [Play] 【Oruchuban Ebichu】Manco Canyon
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm13003791 [Play] 【Mario RPG】 vs. slightly erotic MANCO battle 【Oruchuban Ebichu】
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I might translate a few more of these since I really love Ichigo Mashimaro. I must have re-watched it about every year ever since I found about it.
Also I can't believe I managed to actually get the 「質実剛健笹塚盛大諸行無常立てろ」joke translated since I couldn't really tell what he was saying there and so I had to look through every single episode where the teacher appeared and piece the words together one by one.
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm4586442 [Play] Sasazuka was made to stand in the terrible hallway 【Ichigo Mashimaro × Marisa MAD】
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https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm6525754 [Play] - K.A. Kawaii is Justice? Last Brutal British Ana ・ Bone Cave [Ichigo Mashimaro Sound MAD]
If you're wondering what the "no seat for you" line is about, it's a famous line from the final episode of a Japanese drama called "Life" where a former bully in the last episode is facing their own downfall and is told this line in a moment of role reversal. You can read about it here, but I'm unsure if the series is even available in English sub: https://dic.pixiv.net/a/おめーの席ねぇから%21 https://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/おめーの席ねぇから%21 https://youtu.be/Q76SCriE-Vs [Play]
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>many of them choose not to do so because they recognize that Anime MADs, from an analytical standpoint, have actually helped them achieve many more sales than they could have otherwise
That reminds me of how many of the MADs I watched on YouTube basically persuaded me to watch anime series I never would have considered otherwise, like the Galaxy Angel videos uploaded by kenw3m.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01IQBDMwN6M [Play]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdPyrk7SPTI [Play]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecJNxZx0TPs [Play]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXAgm8egEHY [Play]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IA5N22v7HM [Play]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nrn4Kb3MHM [Play]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPIa3r6BYuQ [Play]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgDLD8LIc2c [Play]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrqJI7S4iJM [Play]
Also here's one I watched recently of Aho Girl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8NgPgtUzD8 [Play] (Can't forget this legendary one as well: https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm31827745 [Play])
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If you haven't seen this anime, watch it! Although I assume most of us here have seen it already. It's endearing, funny, memorable, and endlessly rewatchable, not to mention TOP COMFY. Even after so many years, I think it remains the best anime of its kind. The manga is even better.
With that out of the way, who is best?16 replies (and 3 file replies) omitted. Click here to view.
>expensive melons are polite gifts to bring on formal visits.
>watermelon smashing (apparently its called Suikawari)
what's with the melon addiction?
The manga is presented in chronological order while the anime is split up and kinda randomized. something interesting i noticed is a scene in the manga where Osaka is wearing an Ultraman mask. Also, sometimes cats are rendered in hyper-realistic fashion which in the anime cats are cartoony 100% of the time. Another thing is osaka speaking French to tadakichi the only word she knew tho was "please"
i finished reading azu, it felt like there was more content there then the anime. not to say the anime was bad but it just was longer. id recommend the manga. there was roughly four extra azu related mangas, made to celebrate the anniversary of the series. one was basically a bonus story, another was a fan anthology of short azu stories made by diffrent authors, there was a second fan thing and another was a crossover with fist of the north star.
I really enjoyed the bizare dream like quality azumanga goes into like reality and fiction blends into this altered state of some type. It's made me obsessed with finding anime/manga that blurs the line of reality although ive found nothing yet besides one manga so far but it was a horror manga and not a comedy like azu
The title Raspberry heaven implies that there is an opposite, A Hell. but if thats the case what would the title be? What's the opposite of a raspberry?
